Shayne Smith

And the next thing you know, you're hanging out with real life witches doing tarot cards and magic and you're reading the...

I'm not even going to say the book names, but you're reading these evil books and you're like, oh, I'm actually doing it.

It would be the equivalent of saying like, yeah, I'm going to get involved in an organization to help a political organization.

It's Catholic.

I'm not Catholic, but.

I've been praying the rosary every day and I go to mass all the time.

And like, sometimes I cry when I'm in adoration and I pray a lot and it makes me feel good, but it's mostly just about the politics.

You'd be like, you sound like you're doing Christianity, my guy.

That's the reverse.

And is that how you slid into the magic stuff?

That's how I slid in.

Yeah.

Through thinking it was political activism that was just trolling and very funny.

And then it just turned out to be real.

And of course I,

As I was having this moment where I was becoming more agnostic, I was open to the idea of magic or ritual or power.

And so that kind of played into me believing in God and just being open to it.

What happened with you that you were like-

like things I was doing it for were working in ways that were like...

Like, kind of incredible.