Shayne Smith

Maybe I'm messing around with evil.

Yeah.

Maybe I'm like inviting something into my life.

And, and yeah,

Truly thank God for my mom too, who was, even as not a super religious person and a person who was kind of letting me find my way, when I was doing weird stuff like that, she was always like, don't mess with that stuff, never touch a Ouija, don't do anything to do with magic or the devil or anything like that.

And so she always kind of like kept me, what I would say, like vigilant, just paying attention a little bit, like, huh, well, she seems to think this is real, so maybe I'll just watch out.

But yeah, I mean, it was a terrifying, dark, embarrassing... I would say it's more embarrassing than anything for me now.

But yeah, it was a weird time in my life.

And I was involved in a bunch of stuff that's like really dark and...

And of course, the way God works is so incredible because now I look back at that and it strengthens my faith, you know?

But at the time I was up to stupid, embarrassing, disgusting things.

It's about sacrifice.

It's about giving up something to get something else.

And so that's like the whole concept behind all of it really is giving something to get something else.

It's a mockery of the sacrifice to God.

Yeah.

So it's all a mockery.

So it's all like the reverse, you know, the same, like the witching hour is three, three, three.

It's a mockery of the Trinity, all these things.

And so, yeah, so much of it, it is funny too, to, to now be Catholic and look back in like a, as you grow in your Catholicness, at least as an adult convert, you're in the mass and you go, Oh, that line from the mass is in the Bible.