Shayne Smith

You just do this.

What?

So what are you doing?

And like, if you don't understand, you're just kind of like, well, you seem wishy-washy.

I'm out.

So I'll just be a good person then.

I guess I don't have to worry about it.

Almost what you're saying about the like, if someone goes, well, you don't have to be religious.

As long as you're good, you'll go to heaven.

And you go, okay, I'll just do that.

Thanks.

Thanks.

I'll be over here being nothing.

And to be clear, one of my most spiritual moments I've ever felt in my life was just in a hotel room.

So yeah, you don't need a, you know, so even to that credit, I think there are Protestants in the, the thing that as Catholics where we're like in your warehouse with your fog machines and we're like being rude, but in a warehouse with a fog machine, you can, you can encounter the Lord in a, in a way that would affect your life and be beautiful and real and good and whole.

And it's so important to acknowledge that too, as much as I tend to fall into the trap of being like a,

That's really helpful to say that.

If you were, if you, if you had a beautiful cathedral with hand paintings like me, you know, but like, no, actually I've encountered the Lord on a run and began to weep uncontrollably and gross and had grown spiritually random, you know?

So like, I don't, you know, they're totally and completely capable.

Yeah.