Shekhar Natarajan

Stratospheric.

Yeah.

Or humanity adapts somehow.

And we'll see the market, adaptation, new kinds of economy.

How much do you want to... And how much... I think the thing that really strikes me is that we have such extraordinary potential for imagination, for strategy, for looking back through history, spotting patterns.

If we have all of that capacity, I refuse to believe that the best we can come up with is these GNI models that are sloppy, extracting all these resources while people are getting access to dwindling water supply.

And we are so reckless about all this technology and with the way we are developing it.

basically saying let's be analytical, discerning and sober in our conversation about the risks, how to mitigate them, what societies we want to build into and how we can draw upon a pluralism of voices and histories and cultures and philosophies and cosmologies to create alternative futures that actually support

the kinds of visions that we would want to inhabit or live into if we're going to live for 250 years or have offspring.

Like, so this all exists.

The voices are there.

It's just not evenly distributed and they're not getting as much media attention as others.

Well, there's a strong force.

But they don't have the power.

They do have, they increasingly are having the power.

Let's take an example.

Like, you know, I want to contradict that point.

Okay.

Okay.

So there was an extraordinary race to actually push out like nano banana.