Chapter 1: What are the implications of living 250 years?
What the hell am I going to do if I lived for 250 years?
Orwell was an optimist because he never understood the power of machine learning.
I would describe myself definitely as a protopian techno-optimist.
So I'm really interested in how technologies shape our behaviours, our relationships, the way that we conceive of ourselves, what's possible.
She touched it every morning before sunrise. A small gold ring. The only evidence anyone had ever chosen her. Then one fine day, she took it off. For me. A boy with no shoes, no future anyone could see, no proof he was even worth the price. My mother didn't pawn a ring that day. She pawned the only story she had that mattered to her. And she buried on a story that didn't exist yet.
That was my story. I grew up in a single room in South India, in the slums. dirt floors and walls that couldn't keep out the rain or the doubt. But my mother never looked at those walls. She never looked past them.
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Chapter 2: How does technology shape our identities and relationships?
That's not hope because hope waits. She chose a direction and walked towards it. That's called orientation. Fire didn't ask our ancestors if they were ready for it. Neither did electricity or internet or the splitting of the atom. The future never asks us the permission. Right now, someone is designing the world your grandchildren are going to inherit.
What would you give up to live long enough to meet your great-great-grandchildren? What would you give up to never forget your mother's face? What if the future offered you everything that you ever wanted and it costed you everything that you had? My mother couldn't read. She couldn't plan. She couldn't prepare. But she knew what every futurist had forgotten.
The future belongs to those who face it, not the ready. but the ones who are oriented towards it. This show won't describe the future for you. It will drop you right into it and ask you questions that are thought-provoking. Who will you be when you get there? What will you hold on to? What will you let go? What will you pawn and for whom? My mother is gone now.
But every morning I think about a woman touching a gold ring in the dark, choosing a direction, choosing to believe. She couldn't have imagined the machines that think or lives stretched beyond two centuries. But she gave me something no algorithm would ever replicate. The courage to face what I cannot predict. This is tomorrow today. The future is already here, walking towards you.
Turn and face it together.
Thank you Four Seasons Hotel and we're deeply thankful for making this space ours for today.
Thank you so much. In July 2024, researchers at Imperial College and Duke University gave elderly mice a single injection. It blocked one protein. The mice lived 25% longer, not just alive, but it was healthier, stronger, fewer cancers. Google just paid $571 million to license the technology. Human trials are already underway. In May 2025, Max Planck Institute combined two existing drugs.
The mice lived 35% longer. Harvard's David Sinclair predicts an age reversal pill by 2035. 100 bucks a month. take it for four weeks and get biologically younger. Can you believe that? The longest verified human lifespan is 122 years, but Sinclair believes it could double. So I'm not looking at 35 years anymore. I may be looking at 250 years. 250 years means seven different carriers.
It means you're gonna see great, great, great grandchildren and they'll be probably older than you. Till death do us apart suddenly means two centuries of marriage.
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Chapter 3: What happens to love in a world of extended lifespans?
Would you take the pill? If death gives meaning, what happens when death becomes optional? My mother lived 70 years. She pawned her wedding ring for my education. What would she say if I lived three times her lifetime? Would that honor her sacrifice or somehow diminish that? I came to this country with $34 in my pocket. I built technology for Fortune 500 companies. I filed hundreds of patents.
But I've never faced a question like this in my lifetime. What the hell am I going to do if I lived for 250 years? And that science isn't coming. It's already here. In this episode, we explore exactly that. Not whether we can live longer, but whether we should. And what it means for love, for purpose, for meaning itself.
because when the clock we've been always racing against just stopped ticking. Welcome to the inaugural show of Tomorrow Today. I'm super excited to have great guests, in fact. The purpose of this show is to evaluate the technology that is already emergent amongst us. And what does it mean to the society in general?
my amazing guest like i'd love for you guys to introduce yourself jason natalie and kevin in that order why don't you introduce yourself jason like you are a phenomenal prominent figure and a celebrity i'm so glad to have you but like i would love for my guests to hear in your own words like who you are yeah sure um well thank you thank you for having me hello everybody uh my name is jason silva and uh i'm a filmmaker
a digital creator, and very often a keynote speaker as well. My background is mostly as a television presenter. I would say that my most high profile program was Brain Games, which was a TV show I hosted for National Geographic Channel. Did that for five seasons, and that looked at, it was like ABCs of neuroscience. It was a show that kids and parents could watch together.
And then I also hosted another show called Origins, which was about transformative technologies that changed humanity. I would describe myself definitely as a protopian or a techno-optimist, which means I like to dream about the ways that we can use our technologies to extend our capacities.
I'm passionate about human flourishing, which also includes mental health, and so I feel like Paleolithic brains, medieval laws, and godlike technologies is a bit of a problem, so I'm always thinking about ways in which we can sort of up-level technology our psyches and souls and psychology so that we can better deploy these increasingly God-like tools.
But ultimately, I'm a dreamer and a romantic.
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Chapter 4: How do we navigate the ethics of radical life extension?
Fantastic. Fantastic. Natalie, you're the rising star in the world of AI and social psychology. And I'm really, really excited to have you. So love for you to actually educate our guests on your background. What do you do? And why are you here in the first place?
Well, this is a lovely opportunity, so thanks. Nice to be here with you guys. So my background is in psychology, behavioral science, and persuasive tech. And so I'm really interested in how technologies shape our behaviours, our relationships, the way that we conceive of ourselves, what's possible.
But I'm also an artist and a musician since very young and I'm absolutely passionate about finding ways in which to tap into that which we most profoundly love and what gives us meaning and to make our decisions from a much more rooted place embedded in the idea of what is it that gives life
vitality, not just our lives, but also the wider living world. So to your humanist, I'd say I'm possibly more on the animist side.
And I think we have this precious moment in time where many of the crises that we face share roots and we get the opportunities now to have these kinds of conversations to robustly challenge one another and our assumptions
to find pathways forward that can, like you suggest, reduce human and life suffering and create a world which is much more regenerative, dignified, and that creates a space for people to live meaningfully. And that's gonna be a pluralistic vision. Yeah.
Excited to have you. Excited to have you, excited to have you.
And finally, my friend here, Kevin Brown, like, you know, a serial entrepreneur. Kevin, like, why don't you introduce yourself?
Sure. Well, amazing to be here and to meet everyone. So, Shaker, you and I have known each other for 10 years, and I've been looking at some of these topics from the technologist's point of view. So I've been building and running companies in Silicon Valley for the last 25 years. And really pretty blown away by the impact of technology. I got to work on the early Internet and saw that big change.
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Chapter 5: What philosophical questions arise from the idea of living 250 years?
We go back to God and everything's good. The romantic solution is we'll put them on a pedestal. And so now I'm like merging with my God by putting them on a pedestal. But your gods eventually reveal their clay feet. So that also collapses. And then the creative solution in some way, another sublimation, I'm like, well, I'm finding transcendence in my self-expression.
And so death falls away temporarily. And I always found that to be a very persuasive thing. Because without those things, just like staring it in the face is a tough thing, I think.
But you don't think impermanence is fundamental to life? Maybe.
It's still terrifying.
I know.
It is still very odd. Yeah, I don't understand it. And what I mean by not understanding it is that I don't emotionally understand it. My inner child doesn't understand it, you know. It's incompatible with how love feels to me. So let's say I lied to you. Yeah. Let's say I lied to you. Okay. Okay. And let's say that 25 year old that you're looking at is actually you.
And also the 225 just became you. So all your cells, all your memories, everything is gone. Would it still be you? That's a good question.
So then it's a subjective experience.
So you're looking at your mirror.
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Chapter 6: How do personal experiences shape views on longevity?
That's the 25 and the 225. The 225 just became the 25. The 25 is completely changed. Every cell is changed.
But life doesn't happen that way.
It's not just about this kind of building block of its subjective experience that we carry, the relationships that we have. into being, one can't exist as a separate self.
Like I can't exist without, like life happens in a related way. And I think in much the same way, like the 25 year old self,
was doing her fucking best, she was doing a great job, but it's different to who I am now, and hopefully I'm different to who I'll be when I'm, if I get to be 90 or whatever.
And I think there's something about that kind of, hopefully self-compassion for one's younger iteration or being, but then all of the people that you have been and become, it's almost like, you know, the river is never the same river twice.
The water is different, but it's still the same river. Same thing with the land or with the boat, if you change a plank, you know, sort of philosophical idea. And the memory's gone.
memories shift but memory is creative not unless you've had a traumatic experience in which the memory freezes memory is also a creative act so i think we have this my sense is we have this desire to grasp our identity or self as a fixed thing and i don't think that's necessarily true i think it's it's kind of like
Maybe you like an orchestra which can play different songs and maybe have a certain set of instruments.
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Chapter 7: What ethical considerations come with the prospect of extended life?
I'm that? Well, not really. Every cell has turned over. This gets back into just this sort of felt mystery of what it is to be us. But what I do know is I wake up every morning in gratitude. And I like the feeling of an open horizon. Alfred Hitchcock was once asked, what is happiness? And he was like, an open horizon. Nothing to worry about. And I'm just like, yeah, the open horizon.
It's just like possibility, you know? Or just chocolate. Yeah, or just chocolate. Sorry. No, no. So let's say like you... These are all hypothetical questions, but these could be all true, by the way. I'm thinking about the future. So let's say all of your memories that you had for 250 years is compressed into 80, and some are forgotten. Your first love is forgotten, the first baby is forgotten.
What happens? Life unfolds. Well, I'll point out that I've forgotten a lot of things.
And I've still made it through, right?
I'm still smiling. And some of them are probably adaptive that I did forget them. But that's the way it works today.
But if you had this tabula rasa, there's still you.
There's a genetic makeup of what your machine is that would live in some ways a similar life, perhaps.
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Chapter 8: How can society prepare for the implications of longevity?
The egocentric, wanting your machine to still imprint the world. So even if I had to forget everything and learn anew, would you still wish that?
I think so. I think so because there's that biological, even if you don't remember it. But the twist on it would be, can I get one page of wisdom from my old self?
Can I get one handwritten page?
I like that one.
How about you, Jason? like to be able to really get young again but forget everything um it's an interesting question um if it was gonna feel like an erasure of total identity then that's the same as dying isn't it so so close yeah i am I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Because I don't know how much of who I was is erased or, you know, like subjectivity and consciousness is still kind of a mysterious thing. You know, like sometimes I remember being really little and remember vividly and remember that it was exactly me now but then.
You know, and other times I think, like you said, memories, creative, like maybe that's just me projecting my current self into the past. And maybe that was, maybe it's both. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know how to answer that question.
Well, this, this kind of amnesia scenario is interesting because there's the, what you actively remember and you could recount, but then there's the, the, the, the chips that have been burned in that, that allow you to still move as a 25 year old in the world. That's right.
And so there's a fair amount of me that is the unspoken kind of model of how you can operate as a 25-year-old sentiently, even if you didn't remember anything. So there's the hardware layer. There's this trained sort of processing of the world. And then there's the active memory of it. So if I have to lose the top third or the top half or whatever that is, obviously that is a lot of who I am.
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