Shekhar Natarajan

We need more of this education.

We need more of this, like, we need to become the voices that we want the society to look like.

And come join us.

yeah i mean that's why we're doing this that's why we're bringing this conversation out in the world but i think these are very limited these days right you know they're not as much i don't i don't agree i see this in so many different places i think there's also i think that there's another question that's one step beyond that which is when we have access to for instance these long-form podcasts where people are coming together there's always different sorts of small groups where people are having these sorts of conversations what's the next step you can't just be locked in talk there are a lot of these ideas floating around they're not necessarily new

what I think needs to happen next is then some form of citizen assembly or some form of ways of bringing people together so their voices can be heard so we can have these discussions in greater depth and then that can inform

regulation.

It can inform the way that we structure our educational systems and change our political systems.

That's the next step.

Conversation there is in abundance.

I find it everywhere.

Every single place I talk or place that I'm invited to go listen to someone else talk, it's there.

And what kind of vision do we want?

What do you think is the next step?

Like what should happen?

In the UK, there was this ridiculous idea about digital IDs, which would have caused all sorts of problems around surveillance technologies, which were already massively skyrocketing in the UK.

Millions of people took part in getting active against it and they had to discuss it in Parliament.

And the only person who was in favour was the Prime Minister.

Every other, almost every other MP that stood up representing their constituents said, this is an insane idea.

What about when the hack happens?

Which they always do when there's a concentrated centre of data.