Shekhar Natarajan

that seems rather horrible.

And we are taking all of the data and creating all of these algorithms and biasing the systems and it is going to be recursive and it is going to make bad decisions.

That is my worry.

So, you know, on the darker side of this, you know, so I've always said that, you know, Orwell was an optimist because he never understood the power of machine learning.

is terrifying, because it just makes those kinds of governments more powerful and more able to control us.

That's about as scary as it can be.

And we have Allegheny County, Pittsburgh, by the way.

It's ugly as hell, but I think that's where

It's up to culture, artists, rebels, tricksters, I mean, to create the conversation that keeps this thing from happening.

I mean, look, that scenario you're saying, I know that it's playing out in many places in the world, and of course that terrifies me.

I grew up in Venezuela, and I saw what happens when a government goes tyrannical.

And...

Right now, I'm living in the Netherlands, which is one of the freest places in the world.

Ironically, everybody there goes on their bicycle and has a lot of agency on their bike.

So there's some return to a very analog village life there in a high trust society where there is not that kind of surveillance.

But yeah, no, look, what you're saying terrifies me.

there's no real rebuttal against it.

It's legit.

We just have to, I guess, speak out, right?

antagonistic content that would split people from one another in different groups it upvoted those points around which there was greater consensus and so you can actually depending on the intention and therefore the architecture that you create around it create greater social cohesion and a better cultural condition within which people can thrive using digital technologies and I think one of the things that we're seeing across different parts of the world I don't know how much you've been kind of tapping into this but these quote-unquote Gen Z rebellions