Shekhar Natarajan

And, you know, there's many factors to this social isolation.

I don't want to stop giving back or contributing or paying it forward.

In fact, I find that incredibly energizing.

But to me, I think that's why the health span and keeping it going, you're not going to be able to be, I don't think, sort of useless for 100 years.

What about you, Natalie?

I was going to say, I mean, post-scarcity, I would think is a prerequisite for a world with radically extended lifespans.

If all of these transformations are happening in biotech and healthspan and whatnot, I also think it'll happen in the productivity allowed by AI and universal high income, whatever it may be.

So then maybe people can just orient their lives around joyful curiosity.

You know, that gets me very excited.

You mentioned the Hubble Space Telescope.

There's this great article by Ross Anderson that sort of contemplates the insights of the images of the deep field and so on and so forth.

Totally.

You know, he says it allowed us to mainline space and time through the optic nerve.

You know, this idea that we're like fitting the universe through our brain, the kind of genius or the kind of mind that conceived of an instrument that allows us to fit the universe through the optic brain, like just sitting in that vastness, both intellectually thrilling vastness, like psychologically expansive vastness,

And I think to myself, I'm like, ha, more of that.

And then it just hits against entropy and limitation and lifespan.

I'm just getting excited.

I feel like Jodie Foster in the movie Contact.

When she goes through the wormhole, she's finally seeing the celestial event.

And she's like, they should have sent a poet.