Shekhar Natarajan

Having invented the gods, we can turn into them.

This is what Alan Harrington said.

That when we hit what the moment is for those of us who are lucky to live up to 80, 90, half point of our lives, like around 40, that's when you tend to find people come into a greater sense of questioning around service.

And you mentioned service.

That you've kind of conformed to the acculturated norms of what it means to potentially have a marriage or have kids or whatever it might be.

ethnobotany, like there are so many things I want to deepen my mastery in that are in service to life, but to your point about aperture and openness and your joyful curiosity.

But I also wonder if that's something where already you've come to the point where, and you mentioned you're kind of this, it's almost like an existential grapple with the fear of death and loss of your loved ones, perhaps more than even for yourself.

And then how do you create, like, so for instance, thinking about criminal justice systems or leaders who are trying to just fuck everybody over because there is not another way that is known to them yet.

See, I'm not a psychologist or a social psychologist, and I never would understand it.

But my question is, if you had more time

would you procrastinate more?

No.

Do more.

Do more.

You've got more time to do more.

What do you want to do more?

More.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm with you.

I would not procrastinate at all.