Shiv Malik

Literally, they rewire their brains.

Whether it's looking at nature, being in nature, or, you know, living in a home that's either damp or terrible, or it's airy and light, etc., etc.

You know, these have huge effects on me.

How you walk and travel and shift and talk and communicate and sit in pubs or not, right, and socialize.

Whether you see children, it all has an effect on people's brains and how they understand themselves and the rest of the world and how productive or not they are, etc.,

so new places are a brilliant place to either get that horribly wrong as we have done in the past or massively right where you've got 50 years of learning of how to build new places and we've got none of that put into practice yet that's what makes it so exciting

Grew up in Finchley.

Grew up in Finchley, okay.

Very boring East Finchley and then Finchley Central.

Honestly, it's this weird mix of being hyper-optimistic and Matt Clifford's probably the best exemplar of that, right?

And a belief and a patriotic belief in Britain, which weirdly I think sometimes you have to be an immigrant to really appreciate what Britain is about, right?

You see it from the outside in or in new ways and new light.

And also because you travel, you realise actually other places aren't like Britain.

It's quite unique in the world and British people should feel that.

But then also mixed with this deep well of sadness and a couple of weeks ago, just friends getting depressed because their friends are now leaving the country, right?

Going to France because they can rent a home with a swimming pool for, you know, 1500 euros a month, right?

Of course they're going to leave because all this country offers professionals in that sense is maybe a piddly two and a half bedroom house in Walthamstow and that's the height of living.

It's not.

It's something's got to be better than this.

So it's a mixture of those two things, that hyper-optimism.