Shiv Malik

So it's not car.

But the other thing, the other insight he has, which is shared between all sort of planners of cities and transport planners is, look, it's really difficult to shift people.

They already live in a place, right?

But as soon as you arrive in a new place, people are open and willing to adapt.

If you're not asking people to go start in their cars for the first five years and then say, oh, now we built the tram, please use the tram.

Well, they're not going to do it, are they?

They got comfortable and everyone else has got comfortable with using cars.

So it has to be there first, that infrastructure, which is the hard part.

But that's how you shift people.

And actually, it's how you shift people just generally.

New environments shift people's brains

Literally, they rewire their brains.

Whether it's looking at nature, being in nature, or, you know, living in a home that's either damp or terrible, or it's airy and light, etc., etc.

You know, these have huge effects on me.

How you walk and travel and shift and talk and communicate and sit in pubs or not, right, and socialize.

Whether you see children, it all has an effect on people's brains and how they understand themselves and the rest of the world and how productive or not they are, etc.,

so new places are a brilliant place to either get that horribly wrong as we have done in the past or massively right where you've got 50 years of learning of how to build new places and we've got none of that put into practice yet that's what makes it so exciting

Grew up in Finchley.

Grew up in Finchley, okay.

Very boring East Finchley and then Finchley Central.