Shiv Malik

It's actually how we placemake, right?

That's a kind of technical term.

But it's how we build, yeah, it's how we build places, how we do political economy, right?

if you want, in all these kind of very sort of weird and curious ways that we think are kind of semi sort of inventive, but the rest of the world finds fascinating.

They go, wow, you can do this, you can do that, right?

We forget who we are in ourselves, and you only really understand that, I think, when you do, in fact, travel.

But look, Amal, there's another part.

I wouldn't be honest if I was saying, look, this is, you know, the notions of Forest City are all about kind of being inspired by what's in the rest of the world.

That actually is not true.

It's almost partly being embarrassed by how slow we are.

So I'll give you another story.

Some very rich people from Malaysia are part of the kind of Malaysian sort of sovereign wealth funds.

They said, look, you know, we'd love to invest in a project like this, Forest City, but we just don't believe in Britain.

We had a project where I think we had...

They said it took nine years to build nine bungalows.

They were being slightly derisory of the whole thing.

They said this to you today.

But they said this to us.

Why you guys just don't know how to build?

You can't build.