Shiv Malik

So you have to do, I think, three things.

You need to go in with the requisite kind of right attitude, right?

To go, I'm going to solve all these problems because they're eminently solvable at the end of the day.

We've built cities.

We live in cities.

We know how to do this.

It must be possible, right?

It can't prima facie.

It must be possible.

And then you've got also realized you've got to have...

an eye for that detail because there are a multitude of things you need to resolve.

Right, yeah.

It incorporates everything.

And you've got to want to also then horse trade with people, right?

Lots of people.

This is politics.

In the kind of way that, in my mind, it goes back to kind of when you read those kind of long journalistic tomes of kind of 1960s, 70s America and mayors, right?

They're all horse trading and trying to bargain stuff or on the Senate floor, right?

So it feels like that.

We don't have a British example of it, in a sense, because we're all, you know, it's public procurement, it's going to take a long time, but actually just need to get stuck in horse trade, right?