Shiv Malik

And that's what my job has mainly been, between trying to realise, actually, there are huge interests at play here.

They all actually want some of the same things.

They don't know it yet.

My job is to communicate that to them.

And actually, you can unlock a huge thing from this idea by doing this.

Because it's a city.

It contains lots of things.

I do.

I know Andrew, yeah.

So maybe a couple of things, but just particularly on that, look, it is, you're right.

I acknowledge that it's causing people anxiety.

And

My retort is, well, look, how are you solving the problems of my generation, right?

Because I've watched huge amounts of anxiety, distress, depression, just a complete lack of prospects, right?

These things are trade-offs, unfortunately, and we don't want to be living in a zero-sum game, which is, again, that lack of trust.

People think if you're getting something, I must be losing.

That's not the case.

It doesn't need to be the case.

And more than that, we're all depressed about the state of the country and the economy, right?

What can we do to make it better?