Shiv Malik

I'm just annoyed and fed up and optimistic in this weird concoction.

Is that enough?

No one's built a city before in Britain.

So, you know, in living memory, right?

In fact, there are a few people who have.

Well, that's not a city.

It's a town, at best.

And that's not to deride it.

It's just not the same thing.

But actually, the people who built Milton Keynes are still alive, very much so.

And so there is a living memory and a connection with those.

Because, you know, the building began what in sort of the late 60s, if you want, early 70s.

But it continued for many, many years.

So actually, that memory is around and all the lessons that go with it.

And they have an amazing archive, which really sets out how to do things properly and then also, you know, not.

Yes, of course.

It leaves the door open.

I'm not going to, you know, I'll suddenly end my days both living in this city, dying in it probably, but also it'll still be, you know, it will be on phase, whatever, two of the kind of building thing.

I think we've crossed a threshold.

Again, it comes back to planning permission.