Shiv Malik

Again, it's all about people's mindset.

I wish it was a threshold and that would be it.

Well, you've leapt over that one.

It's a sign.

It's this, which is when people think,

And they also start to realize, look, strategically, yes, of course, you've got trade-offs and they're difficult, but something's got to be done and they see it too.

You know, I have these weird phone calls, but lots of people who object, they're very loud and noisy.

And of course we hear them, but you don't hear the people who want this to happen because they're quiet and they're scared and afraid.

And that's my job is to actually lead people in that sense, right?

That's actually weirdly my job.

in all of this.

So they feel comfortable to speak out and say, yeah, actually it is.

But most of the conversations I have, a good 30% of people, you know, I think, oh, you know, rang up some professor of, you know, X, Y, and Z and they'll go, this is amazing.

This is the best thing I've ever heard.

We should absolutely be doing this right now.

Or senior civil servants, you know, they disagree and they have things and they're not supposed to say stuff.

But, you know, you can feel a bit of kind of, oh, this is very interesting, right, on that end.

And politicians will also say stuff like that.

Look, they have lots of things to consider and lots on their plate.

They get excited, as anyone would, by the thought that we could be bold, right?