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Sholto Douglas

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1567 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I think it's very likely in two, but it seems almost over-determined in five.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And on the grand scheme of things, those are kind of irrelevant timeframes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

It's the same either way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

completely changes the world over the next decade.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And if we don't have the right policies in place for that, then you end up actually with almost, in some respects, a fundamentally worse world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Because the thing that these models get good at by default is software engineering and computer-using agents and this kind of stuff.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And then we will need to put in extra effort to put them in the loops where

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

they help us with scientific research, or we have the right robotics such that we actually experience an increase in material quality of life.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So that's worth thinking about.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

If you're in the perspective of, I'm a country.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

What should I be doing or thinking about?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Plan for the case where white collar work is automatable.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And then consider what does that mean for your economy and what you should be doing to prepare policy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So I think one very important point is that let's say this scenario turns out true.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Then compute becomes the most valuable resource in the world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like the sort of GDP of your economy is dramatically affected by how much compute you can deploy towards the sort of organizations within your country.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And so having some, you know,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

guaranteed amount of compute, I think, will actually be quite important.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So getting ahead of investments in data centers and this kind of stuff on the condition that companies in your country have to be allowed to use that compute.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Not necessarily for training, but even just for inference.