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Sholto Douglas

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1567 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I think the economic value here comes from inference.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I think it also makes sense to invest broadly in AI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like I think these countries have the opportunity to do so.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And I think that's like a portfolio of like, you know, foundation model companies, but also like robotics supply chain and this kind of stuff.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I think that you should invest very proactively in policies that try and like prevent innovation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

capital lock-in.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So we're in for a much worse world if it just so happens that the people who had money in the stock exchange or in land before AGI are dramatically more wealthy than the people who don't, because it's a gross misallocation of resources.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So having

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I know one of my favorite episodes actually on your podcast was the Georgism one, where you're trying to appropriately value or allocate land.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And so I think this strikes particularly close to home coming from Australia, where I think our policies with respect to land are grossly wrong.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But I think this is broadly true.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Being very forward on regulation of integration of these models into your country is important, and proactively making sure that people have choice.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So let's say you should be quite proactive about making sure that the phones or devices or glasses that people have, people have free choice on what things they run.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And then, so that's the we just get white collar worker.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And you're trying to do the best to prepare your country for that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And then it's like, OK, well, what can you do to make all possible versions of the future go well?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

That's covering some amount of economic downside.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

The other things I think are really important is figure out how you can

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

either basically ensure dramatic upside or cover terrible downside.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And so getting a dramatic upside is making sure that there is investment in biology research and this kind of stuff in an automated way that these models are actually able to produce novel medicines that massively improve our quality of life.