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Sholto Douglas

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1567 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

If you had...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

all mocap of everyone's actions as they were going about their daily lives for some reasonable fraction of the human population, robotics is also close to solved.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like, on track to be solved at the same rate that software engineering is on track to be solved.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So this is only like...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

This vision is only a sort of decade-long section, but it's still a pretty terrible decade.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Imagine the world where people have lost their jobs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

You haven't yet got novel biological research that means people's quality of life is dramatically better.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

You don't yet have material abundance because you haven't actually been able to action the physical world in the necessary way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

You can't build dramatically more because building dramatically more takes robots, basically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And people's like main comparative advantage is as fantastic robots is like a shocking, shocking world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And a decade or two on, the world is fantastic.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Robotics is solved, and you start to get radical abundance, basically, provided that you have all the policies set up necessary to permit building.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

You end up with that same change from the before and after photos of Shanghai,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

We're like 20 years on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

It's like this dramatically transformed city.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

A lot of places in the world probably end up like that over that two-decade period.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But we need to make sure, one, do our best to estimate, is this actually what is on track to happen?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

like build sweet bench but for all the other forms of white-collar work and measure and track that's a great thing that government should be doing by the way is like trying to break down the sort of functions of their economy into measurable tasks and Figuring out where what does the curve actually look like for that because they might be a bit shocked by the progress there you know, there's no sweet bench for tax like tax eval and Then

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I don't have all the answers here, but figuring out a way to share the proceeds of this economy broadly across people, or invest heavily in robotics and collecting data so that we get robotics faster, we get material abundance faster, invest in biological research that we get all that faster.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Basically try and pull forward the radical upside, because otherwise you have a pretty dark section.