Shumita Basu

And although Angel still told Laura that he has feelings of worthlessness, during a recent visit, she saw him puttering around the house with his tools, making small repairs and improvements.

Coming up with solutions around the house.

Yeah.

Yeah, of course.

I do want to come back to your story with Jay.

And you've written about now how devastating the end of Jay's life was, how traumatic it really was for both of you.

You weren't able to be with Jay when she passed away.

And you write very candidly about how you struggled with thinking about that time in your lives and what you shared.

As you reflect on that, and it sounds like having spoken to all these couples also as a way of reflecting on that experience too, what kinds of changes do you want to see to make sure that this experience is different for couples, for people experiencing disability, for caretakers?

Forgive yourself for what?

Laura, thank you so much for sharing your story and for sharing these stories and to everyone who participated in the book.

Thank you for having me.

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Hey there, it's Shamita here.

I just wanted to let you know that I am stepping away from the mic for a little while because I'm about to have a baby for the second time.

So this show is going to keep coming your way with great guest hosts in my absence, and I'll be listening at home just like you.

Thank you to all of my great colleagues here for everything on with the show.