Sian Pattenden

No, it's really... And it's like her identity has changed.

The whole idea of herself and the core that she's having to reconstruct kills her.

Well, again, it's just in death.

You're still not allowed in.

You're still not allowed in because you haven't ticked the boxes that I wanted you to tick, but I hadn't told you about those boxes and no one had actually.

It's just really... That is bizarre.

That's perverse, actually.

This is what he's saying.

Might she be a woman that did what she wanted to do as an autonomous person?

Hang on a minute.

It's really, really shocking, honestly.

That is really shocking.

Yes, that's the real problem is you're not allowed in because you're being you and I don't accept you for who you are, which is just why you are.

You know, it's really, it's impossible.

Yes, and I would very much agree that, yes.

It has been allowed.

Yeah.

Thanks, after all this time.

You're allowed maybe to be yourself as a woman and not always happy all the time.

You know, those sorts of things.