Talk ’90s to me
Prozac Nation! – How one grunge-era depression memoir changed everything
11 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the significance of Elizabeth Wurtzel's 'Prozac Nation'?
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This is Talk 90s to Me, where we publish a bestselling depression memoir when we're 27 and create a whole new literary genre just like that, where we are also relentlessly slagged off by other writers from then on, where we pose naked on our book covers, refuse to settle down or compromise or stop writing, then become a lawyer, get breast cancer and die far too young.
I'm Miranda Sawyer, and this week on Talk 90s to Me, we are talking pro-Zack Nation and its author, Elizabeth Wurzel. And with me to talk all aspects of 90s depression and pill-popping is the very undepressed Sian Pattendon, excellent journalist and lead singer and songwriter of the fantastic pop group, the Shush Shush Animals. Hello, Sian. Hello, Bunny. Okay.
Sian, let's start with Prozac Nation. I have propped it up next to your single, by the way. Thank you. I think they go together in a very strange way. I think they look lovely. Yeah. Let's start with Prozac Nation because that is the book where most people start with Elizabeth Wurzel. It's published in 94. She was 27. There is a copy. It's a...
Great portrait on the front that most people associate with her. She's got huge eyes. She's got long hair. Her head's kind of angled. She looks simultaneously down in the dumps and confrontational, I think. And hot as well in that kind of 90s way.
She also looks like she could be the successor to someone who's in whole. You know, if Melissa had walked out at some point, you'd get Elizabeth Wurzel in. And she would absolutely fit, you know. And so within that, it's got its absolute iconography sorted out.
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Chapter 2: How did 'Prozac Nation' redefine the memoir genre?
It says, you know, I feel very aligned to it. This is my friend. This suddenly becomes something that I need in a way. And it's about grappling with this incredibly complex relationship. Kind of takes over from her parents. Depression becomes the character. Depression becomes something in that. And that is, as I say, startling writing.
And I really don't think that there is a book like this that had come along at this point. And for her to be that honest, but also for the writing to be so good, really just groundbreaking at the time. And it's startling to read it now.
Yeah, it really is. It's like, and she's, I mean, at 11, you know, God love her. She takes an overdose at 11, but it's like of, it's of like Antony, it's like Puritan.
Yeah, yeah.
She's at camp, which she hates. You know, she takes periods on. But, you know, she starts self-harming. You know, it's like it is a big thing that happens to her. And as depression is, it's a genuine thing.
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Chapter 3: What personal struggles does Elizabeth Wurtzel share in her memoir?
And I think that a lot of the people who criticised that book, it's that classic thing. They kind of think that she's kind of putting it on or she's... embracing a feeling around american gen x that that is maybe epitomized by nirvana and that is you know my life is not conventional i hate myself i'm gonna and i want to die but what's interesting is she is doing some of those things so she's
romanticizing the depression and feelings of self-hatred and how she relates in that world but also why shouldn't she because she's having to deal with something and what is so incredible is about if this book was written now which is the question that you ask yourself when you're reading it quite a lot is that the lack of pathologization of it she has no language that we would have for it now there's no categorization of what these depressions are yeah
And as well as the medication has completely changed now as well. But also in those times, and so we're talking early 90s to mid 90s, Generation X kids were told to pull their socks up. Depression wasn't taken seriously. The parents just ignore it almost. And I think that is so of its time that we were told if there was anything wrong, oh, it's fine, I don't worry about it.
Oh, someone, you know, assaulted you. Don't really worry about it. You're feeling a bit depressed. You've taken an overdose of antihistamines. Oh, never mind. It's a phase. And it's this just brushing it off, but also because she's a woman. And I think that that's a really important point is she is not taken seriously in this book.
And her act of defiance is taking herself seriously and writing it.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's kind of, it's madly fresh, actually. It's like you go through, it's like a kind of hurricane that you go through, I think. And, you know, it's really interesting you saying it's new, because I do think it's new. Like when it was published, there was a lot of kind of comparison with Sylvia Plath, obviously.
But also there's a book that comes out in 93 called Girl Interrupted. And that's eventually made into a film with Angelina Jolie. But it's like it's by this woman called Susanna Kaysen. And it's a memoir of a two year stay at a kind of psychiatric hospital. But it's in the 60s. So it's not happening now.
And what happened, what used to happen pre-Wurzel, I would say, is that people would, well, women maybe, would write about these kind of things, but fictionalised or after the fact.
Yes, with the benefit of hindsight where it's all a little bit more cotton wool and we can deal with it and we're over that now. You know that Elizabeth Wurzel is not over it. She's not over it on that book cover. She is not over it by the end of the book. You know that this is an ongoing thing. So carry on.
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Chapter 4: How does 'Prozac Nation' relate to Generation X culture?
It's not that bad. It's not that bad. I'll get on this. But it's like really quick to be prescribed. It's a very commonplace drug now. And she's really right about that, I think.
What about how women's bodies, they are yours. You know, what you own then is taken away from you and that people will prescribe a woman's body with, you know... Things to make it better. Things to make it better. Things to make it... Because you're flawed. Because you're a woman, you're a bit flawed and you're a bit funny. We'll just make you what we need to make you. More compliant.
More compliant, yes. And we'll make lots of money out of it. And it's not your body anymore because now you can't have this stuff. It's literally medical science.
Yes. Anyway, okay. I think it's a really good book. I would recommend it. I think it's a really good, like... It's great writing.
I think it's great. And I really think that it just does... I mean, what's almost refreshing is the word wellness isn't used in it at all because wellness didn't exist. This whole cycle, the capitalist idea of what health is and what women's bodies should be hasn't even been invented yet. Social media hasn't been invented. This is not an influencer book.
Yeah, exactly. Okay, so it comes out. It's a huge success. It gets slated. Well, that's how we know it's a huge success. It has turned into a terrible movie.
You have watched this movie, haven't you? I have watched this movie.
You've gone beyond the cause.
I watched this movie with Christina Ricci in it, who plays her very well because she's as bug-eyed as Elisabeth Wetzel herself. But the movie doesn't know really what to do. It doesn't know whether to go heavy or to go soft. And it just looks like someone's sort of complaining that they've had a bad day. And the mum's on the phone not being very nice to them. It just doesn't work.
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