Sienna Rodgers

The whole theme.

I think, though, that they do need to sort of make sure that they... I think they do really have to make sure that they are not being complacent about people's support.

Like, a lot of Labour MPs don't know Andy Burnham, and they've been really moving quickly to rectify that and bring people in.

But I think that, yeah, this has been the strength of this slow coup so far, that they're focused on each stage differently.

at a time and trying not to be too complacent about it.

So I think that it is a genuine thing.

They need to get hundreds and hundreds of names.

You need above 300 on that nomination paper.

So it's just absolutely overwhelming.

And that's still not completely a done deal.

Yeah, girly stuff.

Yeah, and they've said that, you know, men tend to be interested in budgets and bombs.

I think that's this person's argument.

Yeah, I mean...

I think gendering bits of politics and policy is a highway to doom and embarrassment.

I think people just find that really, really strange.

I mean, this has been a really big theme inside the Labour Party, women feeling quite marginalised, the way Sienna was nodding to.

Under Keir Starmer, a lot of women felt very unhappy inside the Labour Party, right up to the top of the cabinet, you know, a feeling that the women in cabinet were being briefed against.

sort of macho culture in number 10 and and then and then like that going right through the parliamentary party and things like that welfare rebellion were primarily organized by women yeah Meg Hillier was the front and a woman who had been overlooked despite her vast experience for a ministerial job

But then a lot of these, some of them involved in that rebellion, but just in general, a lot of the women who were marginalized or overlooked or shunned or dismissed by Keir Starmer and Morgan McSweeney, the people around him, are now absolutely central to Andy Burnham's team.