Sienna Rodgers

Yeah, as the New Statesman dubbed them.

No, they dubbed themselves that and I quoted it.

And then I think it was in a headline without quote marks.

But yeah, they dubbed themselves that.

And yeah, I think that that has actually unexpectedly become a big theme around Andy Burnham because I think his reputation was actually the opposite.

You know, is he a bit too blokey?

Football oasis.

Football oasis, beer.

Does he get a bit touchy with female journalists?

Does he?

I'm just asking the question.

But that was the question.

But then actually, overwhelmingly, speaking to people this week, looking forward to an Andy Burnham premiership.

Even people from parts of the party who wouldn't instinctively like Andy Burnham are quite impressed by this team of strong women he has around him.

This what feels like a genuine cultural reset that Burnham is hoping to achieve.

You know, when I interviewed him, I asked who he was closest to in parliament and the whole list he gave was just women.

All the people running his campaign were women.

I think, though, looking at who's doing policy behind the scenes for him, for example, it's about...

you know, five women.

And, you know, the people who ran his campaign in Makerfield, it was all women.