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And so, obviously, we have to see the way it all shakes out and where the exact appointments are.

But he talks about how proud he is of that.

And it's a thing that people are starting to remark upon that they haven't seen a prime minister or a male prime minister so comfortable with a team of mostly women and quite strong-minded, tough people

but still the key strategists were met in and, and actually, you know, he did get the, the old band back together to sing the old hits before he did that, that farewell speech.

You know, people could hear the voice of Morgan McSweeney in it and Paul Ovenden, his former director of strategy was seen leaving and,

Darning Street by the front door.

I think that the criticism was always that it wasn't that there were no women working for Keir Starmer or anything, but that just the culture felt blokey and macho, a bit patriarchal.

All the men in it would say, but we have women in this team, but I think... But if you're having to say that...

And some of the women in the team also felt like the culture could be a bit blokey, but definitely it was just, you know, from outside, a lot of the women in the Labour Party felt uncomfortable with it.

So I haven't had a specific conversation about what's in the speech, but I've had lots of conversations about the economic policy he's building.

So I don't know how much of this is in the speech and how much is being held back.

Yeah, very much an economic speech.

It's about his vision for growth and repeating his sense of fiscal responsibility.

But I think that people who work for Andy Burnham

would say, you know, we had a discussion a few weeks ago, didn't we, about what Manchesterism is.

Is there any sort of meat to that, to this idea?

People weren't entirely clear what the thinking was behind it, if it was a coherent ideology.

I think that the people who work for him are saying it's not really about an ism like that.

Actually, Andy Burnham has been talking about some quite radical ideas for well over a decade.

It's about like the devolution of power and wealth.