Simba

That makes sense.

And you often talk about mental health at work being a skill that we need.

What makes a conversation more productive versus it being risky?

And as you're talking, I'm thinking about a study that said something along the lines that most heart attacks happen like either Sunday night or Monday morning when people have to go to work.

It's so sad.

And I'm thinking about a lot of people that are struggling.

They don't like their jobs.

Yeah.

There isn't a lot of psychological safety there.

How can they start maybe thinking about disclosure if they might want to say something, but maybe their leadership doesn't have that language yet?

And so if we shift upwards, one of the things we don't really talk about is the mental health of leaders.

Why not as much?

I guess when I think of psychological safety, well, you do.

Okay.

I was like, no, I haven't read about it.

But not as much, right?

It's usually like for the employees.

Why do you think that is?

Yes, please.

And that really resonates because like I've started a few companies, I've been in positions where I was overseeing people.