Simeon Brown

is providing rehabilitation for prisoners that are on remand in jails because it wasn't available.

We're very serious about rehabilitation.

For the first time ever, we've got a Minister for Mental Health.

We're serious about mental health issues.

But what we're also serious about is that the people

The gangs creating the misery are not going to be the ones that profit and get public funds to make it out as if they're helping people.

If they really want to help people, they can stop selling the drugs.

I know that the corridor going around is that the National Party also back in the day had some similar kind of funding.

But for me, Amanda, how I feel is that the National Party of today is very clear that we are cracking down on gangs.

We're cracking down on the misery that they are causing in our communities.

And if I can say really simply, that was then, this is now.

Right now, the government I'm part of is one where we're sending a very strong message that the people administering the poison are not going to be administering the antidote as well.

Yeah, there's a few of our laws that do define what gangs are.

And if we were to kind of put it in a nutshell, there's three kind of aspects or characteristics which in our law define a gang.

Firstly, it's got to be a group of three or more people.

Second, they've got to have a common name or signal or symbol or colour.

And third, they need to be associated with or are involved in

in criminal activity.

So we do have the definition available to us.

Plus there's a national gang list with a list of names of gangs known to us in New Zealand.