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Simona Francese

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TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

In this room, one in eight women will develop breast cancer, and one in 43 will die.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Looks better for men, but they're not immune.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And in 2022, the deaths by breast cancer were 670,000 globally, and 11,500 in the UK.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

That's 32 people every day.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And cases are predicted to rise to 70,000 by 2040, right?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

But here's the good news.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

The death rates are actually falling, and they've been falling remarkably, by 44 percent.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Why?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

certainly because interventions and better screening and better treatments, but definitely because we can catch cancer earlier.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So let's talk about screening, right?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

For breast cancer, we have the gold standard of mammography, which is followed by biopsy if the result is positive.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And we have the breast screening program that invites women every year after a certain age.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

But actually, the target is 70% nationally, but the uptake can be really low in some areas of the country.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So why is that?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We really need to understand the reasons why we can't do more screening and why we can't have a better uptake.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Because I think we can.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So, NHS backlogs, obviously this has been exacerbated by COVID, let me say, also by decades of underfunding of the NHS.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We have reduced resources, so there is a disproportion between the number of screenings needed and the radiologists.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Also, the mammographic equipment isn't exactly present in every city, town, village that you will need.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So we have here an accessibility problem, which is significantly worse for underserved populations.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Let's be honest, I personally would choose my life over my modesty, but this is not exactly an exam, a test that preserves your modesty, right?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And for some populations, this is absolutely culturally unacceptable.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

It is invasive.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

there is a fear associated with radiation, and for many women, it's actually so painful that they refuse to go.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

There was a recent survey of 2,000 women, and a standard of 21 percent said that the embarrassment of being topless and the fear of pain would actually prevent them from undertaking screening.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

At least women know that it's so important to take up the screening, but this still happens.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So, but what if I told you that my team and I are on probably a game-changing test that looks exactly like a test that will bypass NHS backlogs, that doesn't need any more resources from the NHS, that actually preserves your modesty because it's completely non-invasive.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

There is no radiation and pain associated with it.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And what if I told you that this comes from the world of fingerprints?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

CSI and fingerprints, right?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

An invisible world like that of a fingerprint.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We all know what fingerprints are for, right?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So they're used to identify a suspect by comparing the mark that they left at the crime scene with the fingerprint that has been taken upon arrest or from prior convictions, right?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So you might tell me, okay, what's got this to do with breast cancer?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So bear with me, because I need you to rethink what a fingerprint is.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So this is a close-up of a fingertip, right?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And the elevated part of the skin are the ridges, and then you see these little holes there.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Those are the sweat pores from which the sweat comes through.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And as you're sweating, as soon as you touch a surface, you transfer that sweat

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

onto the surface.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And now you transfer it in a rather mesmerizing way.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So it's a beautiful pattern of lines, but it is not just a pattern of lines.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

It is a pattern of lines made up of molecules.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

What molecules?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Whatever our body produces, metabolizes, and then eliminates through sweat.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Of course, anything that is sitting on your fingertip as you go around in your activities, touching things, right?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So that's really what a fingerprint is.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

is a molecular pattern unique to an individual, a molecular pattern of lines.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And what can we do with this?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We've exploited this knowledge, and in some pioneering research, we have developed a mass spectrometry technique called MOLDI that actually measures the weight of the molecules.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And by making these measurements, we are able to know what these molecules are, who these molecules are, but we can also see them.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So if these molecules are distributed homogeneously onto the ridge pattern, by visualizing them, you can visualize a beautiful ridge pattern.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So now you get a molecular image of a fingerprint.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Or we can even resolve overlapping fingerprints because we just interrogated the software and recalled the image of distribution of molecules that are unique to each of those fingerprints.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So, for example, we can eliminate the fingerprint of the victim or we can submit to the database for identification the fingerprint of the perpetrator.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Although this technique has been used already nationally and internationally, it's been endorsed by the UOM office, that's actually not the only thing that we can do with this.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Remember, we are looking at molecules, and molecules are there for a reason.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

They tell a story about you.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

that tell about your lifestyle.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

They might tell about the medications that you're taking.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We can even say something about your state of mind if you take drugs or abuse.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And even, what have you been doing just prior to or during committing the crime?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So now you're still asking, OK, so when are we going to get to the part of breast cancer?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

OK, we're going to get there.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We were looking at personal information.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So we were looking at the possibility to, from a fingerprint, say whether that belongs to a man or to a woman.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So for this study, we asked the donors to actually swipe a fingertip.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

on a surface, okay?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So this is now a smudged fingerprint.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And then we used our moldy technique with fire laser.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We get the molecules blast off and then taken up by the mass spectrometer that measures the way.

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And we were looking at proteins and we discovered that the protein profiles between men and women are different enough and we can tell them apart with the 86% of accuracy, right?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And this is, folks, where serendipity manifested in all of its beauty, right?

TED Talks Daily
Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Because my next question was, who are these proteins?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And as I was looking into this, I realized that some of these proteins actually were already reported in the scientific literature as biomarkers of breast cancer.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Let that sink in.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Fingertip smears or smudged fingerprints contain proteins that might be able to tell whether a woman is affected by breast cancer or not.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So, of course, I rushed to my team, and, you know, we have a meeting, and our jaws really dropped.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

I mean, mine was still dropping from the early discovery.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And we all had the same two images together in our mind.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

we had a mammogram versus a swipe of the fingertip.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And also then at that point, we thought, well, then can we further the optimization of this method?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Can we refine it to maybe produce a non-invasive screening of breast cancer?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

and maybe even just as a pre-screening, so then only women that are positive to this very simple test go through mammograms.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And that is going to save a lot of emotional distress to women and to family, as well as saving the NHS a lot of resources.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So CARS organization then have actually estimated a cost of 17.5 billion pounds associated to breast cancer interventions, treatment and screening.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

It's a lot.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We can reduce the distress to families, to communities, and we can also reduce this cost.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So it took me the best part of six years, because I was labeled crazy, the best part of six years to obtain £45,000.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

to prove the concept.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And we did prove the concept.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So with that 45,000 pounds, I also hijacked some of the fundings that I had.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

But anyway, with those 45,000 pounds, we were able to look at 15 women.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

They gave us three different fingerprint smears.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We then analyzed the smears in three different locations.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So we had 135 samples to look at.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Simply, they came and did actually this three times.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

One, two, three.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

That's my sample.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

I know it sounds crazy.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

The sample preparation for us takes about a couple of hours, but the results can be obtained in minutes.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

Then we trained a machine learning algorithm to recognize the protein patterns coming from women with early breast cancer

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

benign and metastatic, OK?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And we found out that we can tell them apart with the 97.8 percent of accuracy against the 70 to 90 percent accuracy of a mammogram.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And the results are shown in this confusion matrix.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

I don't know why it's called confusion, but it's the confusion matrix.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

What it tells you there is that of 135 samples, we spotted every time a woman had cancer.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So, do you think

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

that a test that will reduce the NHS costs, that bypasses the backlogs, that doesn't require any more resources, that is non-invasive, that is painless, radiation-free, that increases accessibility because in our vision,

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

We can take this test at the GP practices, even in the comfort of your own home, and then we can ship it COVID-style, as we used to do.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

So it really solves the accessibility problem as well.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And in doing all this, it obviously increases compliance, and hence, it saves lives.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And do you think that something like this is not worth the investment, the dedication, the perseverance?

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

I think it is.

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Could we detect breast cancer with a fingerprint? | Simona Francese

And I think that this is definitely an idea worth sharing.