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Sir Niall Ferguson

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
435 total appearances

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

But the only way the United States could counter it would be, in fact, by taking naval action.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

So the worry in Washington and in Honolulu is, what if we're confronted by something that's ambiguous and hard for us to react to?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

So the betting market isn't really asking the right question there.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

The question is, does China assert its notional rights since, after all, we accept that there is only one China?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And if it does, can the Trump administration stop a gradual Hong Kongization?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

of Taiwan.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

I was just in Hong Kong.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

One of the interesting conversations I had was with somebody who said, the way that the Chinese, the way that Beijing is treating Hong Kong right now, which is relatively gently economically, though very firmly politically, is to signal that one country, two systems is okay.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

for business.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And it's okay for most people in Hong Kong.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

That's an ad to Taiwan ahead of what will be a pretty subtle but meaningful pressure from Beijing.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And I think that's the scenario to watch out for.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

Because if you ask the hawks in the Trump administration, well, what will you do then?

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

They'll say, well, we can't possibly do nothing.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

We have to act

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

Because this would be a fundamental challenge that would lead implicitly to the end of American primacy in the Pacific.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

The Japanese would see that immediately.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And it would put TSMC in the hands of Xi Jinping and can't let that happen.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And then you'll go to the president and the president will say, as he said to John Bolton in a famous chapter in John Bolton's memoir, he picks up the sharpie and he says...

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

You see this Sharpie, John.