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Sir Niall Ferguson

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And here are the two uncertainties.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

Number one, there is a way of getting the Chinese economy to grow in a more balanced way that doesn't require it to flood the world with cheap manufacturing exports.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

Michael Pettis has been writing about it for as long as I can remember.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And it's about helping Chinese households to consume like they're in a normal society, rather than to have

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

their incomes effectively repressed.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And I just don't see it happening.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

I just don't think Xi Jinping will ever fully believe that it's healthy to have a Chinese economy led by consumption.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

The other problem, which is, I think, where you're probably going...

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

is that potentially there's a collision coming between China and the United States.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

Because the CCP, under Xi Jinping's leadership, has made it really clear that the capstone achievement of his career is bringing Taiwan under the control of Beijing.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

And if you watch what's going on in the waters off Taiwan, looking back over the last couple of years, with every passing month,

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

the PLA and the Navy do more and more aggressive things that worry the people running the Indo-Pacific Command for the United States.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

So the most precarious issue, the most contentious flashpoint in the world is not Ukraine, nor is it Israel, it's Taiwan.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

Because a Taiwan crisis would simultaneously be enormously destabilizing

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

to the security system of the Indo-Pacific, but it would also be destabilizing to the world economy because this would be a Cuban missile crisis, except that the island in question this time is off the coast of China, not the United States, and they export GPUs, not cigars.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

Well, I think the problem is the way the question's framed, because I don't think that there's going to be an invasion, kind of D-Day Taiwan Strait edition.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

I'm not even expecting a blockade.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

But I think what happens is that at some point on Trump's watch,

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

The Chinese say, just to let you know, anything going in and out of Taiwanese ports has to clear PRC customs, and our Coast Guard will be going to collect those.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Sir Niall Ferguson decodes Trump, China, and the new world order

That's a big problem for the United States, because it's not clear that the world would perceive that as aggression by China.