Sonia Kahlon

That's how I felt.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're making me wonder if I could do it.

I think for me that I thought that like my edge also came from like the anger and the anxiety.

And that also is fueled by like the drinking and the drugs.

And so I think that and we talked a little bit about fear before.

I think there's this fear that I can't be as successful being soft.

What are your metrics now though, for a success?

Because I think that's another thing I struggle with where like money can't be the measure anymore of success like that.

So what,

Yeah, so I work a lot in therapy about like redefining success now for myself.

And so I feel like I've redefined it as like, yeah, being able to stay sober, being able to keep my blood pressure like down, being able to stay calm.

Like what are your, like while still doing good things, but like what are your metrics now?

Because you're still like, you got the number one podcast, you know what I mean?

So you're still achieving at a really high level.

Is that still-

Is that still hitting your dopamine centers, do you think?