Sonia Shah

So, yes, migration is at any one moment in time.

It's a small number of us that are moving around, but we are all really touched by migration in a very profound way.

And I think the reason why is because it's been so critical to how you have innovation, how you have resilience, how you have diversity.

This is why so many conservationists are actually trying to build bridges for other species so that they can move into new places.

Because we know that if they can move into new places, we can secure biodiversity in the future and we want that.

We should want that same thing for us.

Human diversity, that's what gives us resilience too.

So, you know, again, I mean, this is, I don't know if this is the specific answer to your question, but it kind of gets back to the same sort of overall theme, which is that migration is not the crisis.

Migration is the solution.

And for, you know, if you go back to, well, what is the crisis?

It's not a migration crisis.

It's a crisis of welcome.

It's a crisis of,

the fact that we don't have any system to actually get people around into places where we can take advantage of all the benefits that they bring.

You know, I always think about I think it was the 1980s and the Republican primary debates.

And I think it was it was Reagan and maybe it was Bush also.

Anyway, they were they were arguing with each other over who was more whose policy was more welcoming to immigrants.

And this was in living memory.

I was alive then.

And so things can change quite rapidly politically, I think.