Sonia Shah

And I think what's quite interesting about the current moment is a lot of people who thought that they wanted to get rid of immigrants because they thought they were these villains that we've been told that they are by these political leaders.

And then they see, well, masked men have come into my community and they have abducted this woman who I was part of my everyday life, who I actually really enjoyed and was my neighbor.

This person who ran the donut shop or this person who was my kid's teacher or this person who used to, you know,

be my coworker.

And these are members of the community.

And now suddenly they are kind of outed as, oh, you're a migrant?

We didn't know.

We thought you were just one of us, right?

But there's a lesson in there.

And it's a very, very cruel way to make this lesson.

It's a brutal policy that we're seeing unfold here in the United States.

But what is happening in a lot of these communities is people are realizing, well, Mike, these migrants, these immigrants, they're everywhere.

They are part of our neighborhood, they're part of our community, they're part of our culture.

And I would, I would hope that that that is that that profound experience to know that migration is not something that happens elsewhere.

It's not these others, these aliens, these

You know, people who look different from us, who we can keep it or that would never assimilate into our communities.

No, that's not who they are.

And we are now seeing that because our communities are actually being torn apart by these, you know, by this deportation secret police kind of regime that we're seeing here, at least here in the United States, is coming up.

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot we can do to kind of think about absorptive capacity.

Where are there places where we need more people?