Sonia Shah

But I think we can even go deeper than that and just say migration is...

part of how we are resilient.

It is part of how we have diversity and innovation.

And it is a deep human impulse and it's not going anywhere.

So let's just adapt to it.

Let's just, you know, the same way we have children and adapt to that, even though it is hugely disruptive to have children.

It's an investment in the future.

We do it anyway.

Yeah, I mean, I think we need to turn the whole conversation around, which is don't talk about migration at all.

Talk about the problem of people being trapped.

When people are trapped in places, we are all suffering in a lot of different ways.

We're not getting the innovation, we're making people more vulnerable to climate catastrophes, we're not getting the diversity, we're not getting the new workers we need, all those things, right?

So let's talk about, let's report on

all the terrible things that happen when people are trapped, when people cannot move.

So that's a new way to get at this question.

Instead of focusing on, let's look at the migrants.

Are they good?

Are they bad?

Are they gang members?

Or are they going to take our jobs?