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I want to have this idea that all the referees are good.

So, you know...

Doveri was Italy's top referee right now, arguably, who's going to take charge of the derby.

He didn't get this game.

It went to La Penna, who's been around a while, but I think he's got maybe 100-odd games and said, yeah, which is not a lot for a game of this magnitude.

Are you on board with that?

Or should we have tears?

Should we recognize that...

the way every other referees organization in the world does.

Top referees get the top games because there's more attention.

Exactly.

Or the more difficult games.

Sunderland-Newcastle may not be a top game, but it's a derby, it's heated, whatever, right?

Yeah, and that's always the big question, right?

Is the referee level disappointing or are we just, do we just scrutinize it?

Do we have more Dale Johnsons out there?

Our colleague who's not at the BBC, you can read him there.

Just scrutinizing every angle of it, right?

And there's even people who dispute the fact, I mean,

In Italy, there's a DAZN, one of the rights holders.