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But that one time he laid himself down.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I think you made two really good points there on why... It's their point, not my point.

No, no, no, but I mean, you made a good point of repeating their point.

Yeah, I get it.

It's tricky.

I mean, I think...

I know football has, obviously, there's a lot at stake here, financially, you know, winning, all of that, I guess.

But from a player's point of view, you know what's right and wrong.

You know, Bastoni knows what's right and wrong.

He knows you can't cheat.

And I know, OK, he let himself down, as we said, in this time.

But you would...

hope that he doesn't do it again and that all this scandal, because let's call it that, why it is, it is a scandal now, Bastogne can't get technically suspended, right, by the league.

No, that's something that's changed.

Yeah, but even in the last week, in the midweek round, we saw a contact where there was nothing touched on the face and the guy was running over, holding his head.

Yeah, I'm like that.

I think so.

And I know...

you want to avoid it becoming a vicious circle because then it's always the same referees and if you're an up-and-coming referee, you say, hang on, how do I get the experience to be able to referee a derby like this or the Milan derby or the Rome derby or whatever if I don't get the opportunities?