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Ukraine is neutral.

And then there's Russia.

We cannot tolerate Ukraine being a part of America's military alliance.

That's a step too far.

But every time we try to let him be neutral, neutral seems like it's never good enough.

And that never actually works.

So if you're going to come in here and say neutral is not good enough, they're going to be part of the West.

Then we're going to say, actually, we'll take him as part of Russia instead.

Now, he also believes, as he says all the time, which I just think is goofy and ridiculous,

un-American, but he also believes that like, yeah, they're not really a real country and they're kind of historically ours anyway.

And, you know, he's got his own views on that, but that's not what the war was about.

And everybody, you know, and when I was here with, which I was very excited to do, because I'm,

a weird romantic and have a dash of autism or something like that.

But I was really excited because me and Douglas Murray are going to debate this issue.

And I remember when he first goes, he goes, the war had nothing to do with Ukrainian entry into NATO.

And I was like, okay, well, let me just hit you with two points real quick.

Number one, the head of the CIA, during all the years of Joe Biden, when he was the ambassador to Russia, he wrote the yet means yet memo.

He literally said that this was all what it was all about and that Russia didn't want to do this, but they would if we kept pushing Ukrainian entry into NATO.

And we did keep pushing it.

And then I said the other one was Stoltenberg, who is not anymore, but was the head of NATO while this was happening.