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Literally, the deal that I was talking to you about, whatever it was, three years ago when I was saying on the show that they had a deal worked out, a peace deal worked out in the first few months of the war in 22, and Boris Johnson went and killed the peace deal on behalf of the West to make sure this war kept going.

But the deal that was in pencil, not pen, that Boris Johnson killed was essentially –

Recognition of the annexation of Crimea.

It was at the time it wasn't annexation of the Donbass region.

It was like independence for the Donbass region.

And then the agreement that the rest of Ukraine would not join NATO.

That was the deal that they had worked out.

And look at where we are now.

Now, the deal that they're even talking about, even as Donald Trump goes, there's going to be some land swaps and all this.

Okay, well, what's he talking about?

The deal right now that is the best case scenario that we're hoping we could get is that Vladimir Putin obviously keeps Crimea, keeps the entire Donbass region, gets a corridor from the south into Crimea, and the rest of Ukraine doesn't join NATO.

So we have the same deal, just a little bit more in the Russians' favor, three years later with...

hundreds of thousands of people having died in that process just to get back to not as good a deal as they had in 22.

And so, you know... And if they don't sign that...

It'll keep going, which I think it's probably going to.

Yeah, and they have been for like a full year, at least, throwing people up there.

And the thing that's really changed, the reason why, like the Europeans and Zelensky, and they're at least pretending to come to the negotiation table right now, which they don't say, but this is the truth, is that support for the war amongst Ukrainians has collapsed dramatically.

I mean, not like gone down by a few points.

It's collapsed.

There was just a piece in this the other day.