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It was Gallup, I believe.

They had their latest poll.

Super majorities of the Ukrainian people, 70% around, want an immediate end to the war with negotiations on land swap.

Like, let's settle it however we got to settle it.

I remember for the first two years of the thing,

Everybody who I argued with about the war in Ukraine, their talking point would always be, the Ukrainian people want to fight.

And who are you, Dave, to tell them that they don't have a right to defend themselves?

And then I would respond by saying, yes, it's true the Ukrainian people want to fight, but might that have something to do with the blank check that they've received from the world and the backup of the entire world?

It's a different proposition to go like,

Do you want to fight if John Jones is at your back and goes, I got your back, dude.

Let's go fuck these guys up.

You're like, hell yeah, I want to fight.

But then John Jones leaves, I might be like, ah, let's talk about this.

But now the Ukrainian people don't want to fight.

And by the way, I never believed any of that because I have my own libertarian views on things.

And I'm like, if you're telling me that people want to fight, well, why do you got to conscript an army then?

If they want to fight so bad...

Well, you got to put a gun to their head and force them to the front line.

Yeah, you could just make it a voluntary force and then we'll find out real quick who wants to fight.

But the point is now that even the Ukrainians don't want to fight over this stuff anymore.