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So there's just no justification for it.

So now they move to...

Phase B, which is essentially to pretend like they're negotiating, but putting all types of poison pills in the deal so that you know the other side won't take it.

This is what they did with Iran, too.

This is why we got into that 12-day war, as they're calling it now.

You know, it's like you put things into the... I was just reading the other day.

It was on Axios.

There's reports that Zelensky and the Europeans are like open to land swaps as long as there's, in their words in the Axios piece, Article 5-like security guarantees.

So in other words...

the rest of Ukraine's in NATO, which is the thing that caused the whole conflict to begin with.

Article five, article five is a, the article in, in NATO, in the NATO agreement that says that like,

it says that like if one of the countries is attacked, like all the countries have to join together to help.

It doesn't exactly say you got to go to war over it, but it's like you have to help in the effort if they're attacked.

So essentially that's what they're trying to ask now, which is, but if you think about it, right, it's designed to,

to incentivize Putin to keep the war going.

Because if you're telling Vladimir Putin, let's just say, which it's not exactly clear that he would even take the deal that I just laid out before, but there was, I know that it's been reported that he was, it was being signaled that he might be open to that deal.

I get the Don Bass region, you know, he's got still, um,

The Donbass region is Donetsk and Luhansk.

And in Luhansk, I think, as of right now, I think the Russians control like 75% of it.

They got all of Donetsk.