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And look at where we are now.

Now, the deal that they're even talking about, even as Donald Trump goes, there's going to be some land swaps and all this.

Okay, well, what's he talking about?

The deal right now that is the best case scenario that we're hoping we could get is that Vladimir Putin obviously keeps Crimea, keeps the entire Donbass region, gets a corridor from the south into Crimea, and the rest of Ukraine doesn't join NATO.

So we have the same deal, just a little bit more in the Russians' favor, three years later with...

hundreds of thousands of people having died in that process just to get back to not as good a deal as they had in 22.

And so, you know... And if they don't sign that...

It'll keep going, which I think it's probably going to.

Yeah, and they have been for like a full year, at least, throwing people up there.

And the thing that's really changed, the reason why, like the Europeans and Zelensky, and they're at least pretending to come to the negotiation table right now, which they don't say, but this is the truth, is that support for the war amongst Ukrainians has collapsed dramatically.

I mean, not like gone down by a few points.

It's collapsed.

There was just a piece in this the other day.

It was Gallup, I believe.

They had their latest poll.

Super majorities of the Ukrainian people, 70% around, want an immediate end to the war with negotiations on land swap.

Like, let's settle it however we got to settle it.

I remember for the first two years of the thing,

Everybody who I argued with about the war in Ukraine, their talking point would always be, the Ukrainian people want to fight.

And who are you, Dave, to tell them that they don't have a right to defend themselves?