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I don't think that he's entirely wrong.

lying.

He seems to know enough about things that the average person wouldn't know.

But I've heard from Eric Davis and others saying he's a this, he's a that.

I don't know because

You know, it's like that's why there are great people like Richard Dolan, who's a wonderful writer of the history of the area, or people like Robert Powell or Michael Swords who write just the facts, not coming to too many conclusions.

Right.

I don't live in that world.

It's not my specialty.

My specialty is working with data and analyzing things and bringing rigorous science to it so that I can convince another scientist what is right or what is wrong.

Because I won't be happy.

I mean, I'm pretty sure of what I know, but I want to validate that to my colleagues, if only to be able to say, I told you so.

There's a little bit of human pettiness in there.

Yeah.

But that's, I think, again, enabling people to live in a world like that where you can talk about these ideas without being ridiculed is really, I think, the objective of what science should be and what open-minded, non-theologically dogmatic approaches should be.

It's like accuse a scientist of being a priest and that's the best way to really upset them.

But pointing out that what they're doing is mimicking dogma and priesthood is the only way to shame them into doing the right thing.

Does that make sense?

It's weird to be any person in the public eye, but in this time, it's particularly weird.

If you're like one of the only people, I mean, the media is so bizarrely compromised.