SPEAKER_04

So imagine two tribes.

One tribe is relatively civilized and just wants to live in harmony with its environment.

Another has a psychopathic leader who can enrage his followers or the other tribe's people.

to attack the other one.

But there's a gene set that makes a person psychopathic and also a gene set that probably makes somebody more likely to be a follower.

Well, which genes survive?

We know.

But when those tribes were separated and independent, it was perfectly fine.

But now you live in an environment where we don't know where the edge of one tribe begins and another ends.

And suddenly you have this environment where psychopathic individuals can move freely and aren't obvious.

Right.

Now, again, I'm sure there's some social scientists who will send me a boatload of emails saying how stupid that idea is.

Right.

Yes.

The rules – there are the rules that you're supposed to follow and then there's the edge of the rules.

But I've lived at the edge of the rules.

I mean if I followed my rules as –

told to me by the chairman of my first department, then I wouldn't be here today.

So I ignored him and I basically found I got permissions from the deans to do what I did.

And they basically overruled the chairman.