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They did have some mutations in gene.

And then the UFO community hated me because I had disproven that as not being a baby, not being an alien.

But, of course, that picture that you showed, I mean, it was worldwide news.

And literally the title of one of the things is Stanford Scientist Sequences Alien Baby.

And so, you know, and so but the paper stands the test of time.

Nobody's disproven what it is that I showed, despite the fact that some people want to say that I was a CIA plant and I was paid off by the CIA, et cetera.

But what that had done was, that I didn't realize, but I kind of hoped, was that it sent up a flag.

to a scientific community that already existed that I wasn't aware of, of scientists who were deeply involved with the government in the analysis of UAP that I wasn't privy to.

And so literally about a month after the movie came out about that thing, I got a knock at my door, and it was representative of the CIA and an aerospace company,

unannounced and they said we want to talk to you and they wanted my help with the number of military and diplomatic personnel who'd been they claimed harmed by things they'd either heard stuff etc and long story short the majority of the hundred or so people that I had privy to their medical records ended up being the first of the Havana syndrome patients

They'd heard things in their head, et cetera.

But what they had done was they had shown me the data literally that day in my office.

They brought out the MRIs.

They brought out the x-rays and the damage in the brain, et cetera.

It was clear.

I mean it wasn't – it was not just data.

It was evidence that something had happened.

It wasn't somebody's story.

It was evidence that was repeatable.

And so that took us about three or four years to figure out what they were.