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And it was at about the time that actually the Havana events were occurring that we realized that all the symptoms of what it is that we were seeing in this group of patients were matching what it was that the Havana syndrome individuals had.

So in a way, that was good because that meant that those 90 or so patients who matched, we could hand over to the national security people.

And, you know, it became a real thing.

And now there's like a DOD website that has anomalous health incidents where people can come forward and report the stuff that they've got.

And here's the ways you can use the Veterans Administration to seek medical help.

Whereas previously, they'd been shooed away as we don't want to hear about this.

What do they think it is?

It's an energy weapon of some kind, a microwave or other energy or gamma energy weapon.

And that sounds crazy, except no one would admit or no one would deny that we have the capability to do it.

It's basically if you take the front off your microwave and turn it on and put your face near it, you'll get burned.

So this is just a way to direct the microwaves or sound waves.

At specific individuals.

Oh, because they were in Havana.

Because they were in Havana.

But it's been used all over the world.

I still get...

emails from military personnel saying this and this and this happened to me.

Here's my medical records.

And so now I just I know they know that I'm a safe place to approach because then I know where to send them on the inside.

But what was interesting was that once we had set that aside and I've advised the Senate Intelligence Committee and I've advised them the House on things.