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Wouldn't it be nice to know that somebody got beyond it?

That there's not a cliff that we all have to walk over?

Right.

And if so, how do we not walk over the edge of the cliff?

I mean, that to me is a hopeful outcome.

Now, Hal and Eric and all the people are all good friends.

Hal is probably, for all of the things that he says positively, is probably the tightest clam I've ever met.

in terms of making sure that he doesn't go over the line.

Yeah.

It's people like him and Jacques and Kit Green and a number of others.

And I sat around a table with them for several years, like every twice a year.

And I looked around the table and thought, the things that these people know or claim to know,

I want to know and the opportunity that's here and why can't we get this information out if it's real?

And so rather than arguing with people about the matter, that's, for instance, why I created the Soul Foundation.

which is a charitable group of academics.

I started it with David Grush and Peter Scafish.

David, of course, had to leave because he had governmental responsibilities he wanted to go take care of.

And actually, we've now had for three years in a row a symposium, first at Stanford, then at San Francisco, and the next one is now in Italy.

So I'm going to plug it, sol2025.org.

You can go look if you want to go to it.