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This huge welt and a bruising and a scarring that could – there's no reasonable way you could have gotten something like that just by exposing yourself to a flame as a for instance or a blowtorch.

And so it's these kinds of events that – and the unfortunate issue with these is that they're not repeatable.

They're one-off anecdotes.

And you certainly can't put a person in a place where they become bait for these kinds of events to occur.

Some people would volunteer for that, though.

What do you think of that?

You know, he's kept to his story over all of the years.

That's what's so confusing.

Yeah.

I mean, he's had no reason.

I don't know that he's profited off of it.

He you know, I find it fascinating, you know, but it's it's it's it's the irreproducibility of the events that the skeptics.

I call them more pseudo-skeptics.

They're pseudists, like nudists.

They're pseudists that use these one-offnesses of these events to disparage the entire idea of it.

It sounds ridiculous.

Well, of course it sounds ridiculous because you're talking about

A fucking spaceship that zaps people.

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

And I don't think that even he would propose, Travis, that he was purposefully hurt.