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Right.

I mean, if you walk across an airfield and get in the plume of a jet engine ...

you're going to get hurt.

Right.

Right, right.

So when people say that there's no evidence or where's the evidence, my first question to them is, well, have you read any books about any of this?

Have you spent even a moment looking into it?

And I would point them at books like by Robert Powell and Michael Sorge, UFOs and Government, which is not a proposal that any of this is real.

It's just the story of these events over decades.

And so there's books like that, dozens of them, that tell the story of data and evidence.

How you contextualize it is, you know, up to your personal biases, let's say.

But there's plenty of evidence.

But if people haven't looked into it, if they have an opinion about it and they haven't looked into it, they're more like priests than they are scientists.

And I don't believe in anything.

I believe in the data and the evidence.

There's not enough evidence for me to tell a colleague of mine it's real.

But there's enough evidence for me to say there's a question worth answering.

So, the silicon that I'm talking about is from an event in Ubatuba, Brazil.

Which, interestingly, there's another piece of it that appears to have been magnesium.

But both of them are of a purity that is unusual for the day in the late 1950s.