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But it's been used all over the world.

I still get...

emails from military personnel saying this and this and this happened to me.

Here's my medical records.

And so now I just I know they know that I'm a safe place to approach because then I know where to send them on the inside.

But what was interesting was that once we had set that aside and I've advised the Senate Intelligence Committee and I've advised them the House on things.

I wrote a white paper for them years ago.

on what I thought needed to be done.

But what was interesting were the remaining 10 people who didn't have Havana syndrome, but had a series of other problems.

And several of them had said that part of their problem was initiated because they'd come in contact with what they had claimed to be a UFO.

By the way, I just noticed that you have a UFO on the wall behind you.

We're all in over here.

So that got me introduced to what people like Jacques Vallée, who you've had on the show, I think.

Yes, a couple times.

who essentially took me out of the wilderness.

I could have gone down 20 different rabbit holes.

And he lives in San Francisco, and we would meet regularly, and we still meet regularly.

And he basically gave me a formulation of how to think about this that I never would have been able to get from 20 different or 100 YouTubes or what have you, and introduced me to the right people.

That eventually led me to meet Lou Elizondo.

And I actually, two weeks before that article came out in the New York Times, met Lou in Crystal City overlooking the Pentagon, and he showed me the videos that were about to come out.