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Right.

I was lucky enough in my neighborhood, our next door neighbor who moved in for a while was the chair of psychiatry at Stanford.

And so we go over to have dinner with her and her husband.

And, you know, like one of the first things that she says, hey, what do you do?

Blah, blah, blah.

And I happen to mention the UFO thing.

And she just sort of like sat back in her seat.

Oh, you might be a kook.

Okay.

But it took a year or so until she finally realized that I wasn't.

And then I was approaching this from a very scientific manner.

I had my beliefs as to what I think it is that I'm dealing with and that there is some sort of reality to this.

But that's separate than the scientist in me that says, well, if I want to talk about this scientifically, here are the things that I need to prove or disprove.

Right.

So that has led, for instance, to my production or study of materials that Jacques Vallée had brought to me, some metals and other things that had chains of evidence associated with them being at some UAP or UFO landing.

And so, interestingly, some of these metals were very unusual.

Super high purity silicon, strange magnesium ratios, the isotope ratios are wrong, et cetera.

Now, that's not proof of anything, but it's proof that somebody engineered them.

So it's that plus the medical.

Those are the kinds of reality-based tests that I can do.